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THHuxley_redux
Joined: 15 Jun 2008
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| ISLAME wrote: |
| Ok tell me then, what is the probability that i have already spanked your scientific ass a few times in this thread? You said there is data for everything right? |
Zero.
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| The truth is you are confused. You know it yet you fake it. You know that things do happen for the first time when probability is zero. |
Very good. You are catching on.
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| You know that when something happens for the first time, there is no prior data. |
Therefore, we cannot calculate the probability. Yet there is still a probability. We just don't what it is yet. It is true, but it is not yet knowledge.
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| then tell me, what were the statistics say 500 years ago? |
There were no cars 500 years ago. So the probability was zero.
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| Were the above statistics valid? And will it be the same 500 years from now? |
Nope.
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| And was Anytime in the past this statistics zero? |
Yep.
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| Probability is nothing but data of what has happened in the past. It is compiled after something already happens. |
Wrong.
Knowledge of probability is nothing but data of what has happened in the past. The probability itself exists whether we know it or not.
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piggy
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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Location: Godwana
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| crazy canuck wrote: |
| Life is result of chemical reactions. |
That opinion holds as much water as the opinion 'god created life'.
But where did the chemicals come from? .... and the 'right amount of energy' etc, etc.?
Your not gonna say BB? |
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Always_Faithful
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Location: Location: Location
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| piggy wrote: |
| Life is result of chemical reactions. |
Incorrect. One is scientific fact, the other is pure faith.
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ISLAME
Joined: 25 Dec 2006
Posts: 389
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:28 am Post subject: |
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 It seems our friend Huxley has finally accepted the concept of zero probability. It took me a long time to make him accept it. From a man who before said there isnt actually zero probability, now he accepts it.
So my dear friend, if the first incident did not happen because of probability or could be understood with probability, there is no reason to believe that incidents which follow thereafter happen because of probability or should be understood with probability. Probability is not a law inherent to life.
| huxley wrote: |
| Therefore, we cannot calculate the probability. Yet there is still a probability. We just don't what it is yet. It is true, but it is not yet knowledge. |
How do you know it is true when it is not yet knowledge? Have you now compromised on your definition for the word knowledge?
Zero probability is nothing, it is a synonym for "i don't know". This is the exact problem scientists seem to have. IT is hard for them to say "i dont know", then they make red herrings like 0.1 probability or even zero probability and make others believe like if they have some kind of knowledge!
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ISLAME
Joined: 25 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| huxley wrote: |
| Knowledge of probability is nothing but data of what has happened in the past. The probability itself exists whether we know it or not. |
so there we go again, the first incident that happens does not have a past and so gets unaccounted for in probability. So there will always be millions of such "first cases" that gets unaccounted for. So probability hardly qualifies as something to assess life seriously. that is why probability is always changing, it is dependent on something else. Things happen for a reason and probability is not that reason.
However, using the terms lucky or unlucky, we can explore those reasons.
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